In The Footsteps Of Dracula: An Interview With Author Steven P. Unger

Since its publication in 1897, Bram Stoker’s Dracula has become a hugely influential book, spawning a whole sub-genre of literature. Both novel and author have been studied, documented and analysed from every possible angle, and subjected to evermore convaluted readings, which, no matter how ludicrous, appear to have found a readership. With the interest in Dracula and vampires stronger than ever, we can probably look forward to the, sometimes dubious, pleasure of many more Dracula-related writings vying for our attention and money.

Rising above the inevitable sea of dross are some real gems, amongst which is the second edition of Steven P. Unger’s In the Footsteps of Dracula: A Personal Journey and Travel Guide. Published by World Audience, Inc., the book takes the reader on an unforgettable journey to every site that is closely related to both the fictional Count Dracula and real historical Vlad the Impaler. Part memoir, part travel guide, In the Footsteps of Dracula was, the author writes, “written to entertain, to inform, perhaps even to inspire.” For this reader, he succeeded in achieving those aims and more. I could easily have enjoyed that rare pleasure of reading the book in one sitting, but was glad that the demands of everyday life meant that I had to spread my reading pleasure over several sessions, which gave me time to digest the wealth of information it contains. I found the biographies of Stoker and his novel and Vlad Ţepeş and the account of Steven’s journey through England and Romania (with the accompanying practical details on how to duplicate it) equally fascinating. One of the many  joys of the book is the collection of Steven’s own photographs, some of which are included with the following interview I did with him.

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When and how did your fascination with Dracula begin?

Growing up, I voraciously read science fiction books and horror comics (the best of which you still can read on this great New Zealand Web site— http://thehorrorsofitall.blogspot.co.nz/), and especially loved watching the old Hammer Films about Count Dracula on TV.  They were produced between 1958 and 1974 and almost always starred Christopher Lee in the title role.  Although they plummeted in quality from superb to abysmal over the years, I saw them whenever I could.

Around 1980 I found a large-format paperback published in 1975 titled The Annotated Dracula, with surreal artwork by Sätty, copious notes, maps, and even a calendar of events.  I read every word.  I loved Bram Stoker’s imagery and his skillful foreshadowing of dire events; at the same time the annotations helped me to understand how his imagery boiled up from the collective unconscious of the Victorian mind and the sexual repression of the 1890s when Dracula was conceived.

Many people, including myself, have dreamed of this kind of journey, but few of us have actually embarked on it.  What motivated you to turn the dream into reality?

My obsession to travel to every site related to either the fictional Count Dracula or his real historical counterpart, Prince Vlad Dracula the Impaler, grew out of a visit to Whitby, England, where three chapters of the novel Dracula take place.  I stood on the cemetery hill where, in Bram Stoker’s Dracula, Lucy Westenra and Mina Murray spent hour after hour sitting on their “favourite seat” (a bench placed over a suicide’s grave near the edge of the cliff), gazing out toward the “headland called Kettleness” and the open North Sea beyond—while Count Dracula slept just beneath them.

In my mind’s eye, I could see the un-dead count rising at night from the flattened slab of the suicide’s gravestone to greedily drink the blood of the living.

The graveyard where Count Dracula spent his days sleeping in the sepulcher of a suicide looks the part that it plays, with its weathered limestone tombstones blackened by centuries of the ever-present North Sea winds.  That graveyard made the novel more visible, more visceral, to me, and I wondered if the sites in Transylvania and in the remote mountains of southern Romania would evoke the same feelings. As I was to discover—they did.

At that moment I decided to visit and photograph every site in England and Romania that is closely related to either Bram Stoker’s fictional Count Dracula or Vlad the Impaler—to literally walk in their footsteps and to write a book about my experiences.

             

The Old Church Cemetery in Whitby, England

How long was the journey in the planning?

It took a good year until I was ready to book my passage.  The initial research took many months.  The primary scenes in Dracula take place in Whitby, where much of the book was written; London; and, of course, the Borgo Pass in Transylvania, the site of Count Dracula’s castle.  I knew I would travel to those places.

Researching the life of Count Dracula’s historical counterpart, Prince Vlad Dracula the Impaler, took considerably more time.  I read all I could find on him, tracking down obscure references and unpublished theses online.  I needed to separate myth from reality (he was not a vampire, but he certainly was bloodthirsty, with a penchant for impaling his victims regardless of gender or age), and to eliminate from my itinerary those places in Romania that were geared toward tourists on the Dracula Trail but had no connection to the real Vlad the Impaler.

I decided to go to Sighişoara, his birthplace; Tărgovişte, his center of power; Poienari, his hidden fortress; and his purported tomb on SnagovIsland.  I also tried to research how to journey to those places using public transportation, and got nowhere.  There are no tourist offices in Romania as there are in Western Europe, and I wound up waiting until I arrived at one site to find out how to travel to the next, whether by bus, by train, or by the Romanian equivalent of stuffing a telephone booth, the Maxitaxi.  That was all part of the experience, certainly, but not one that I would wish upon my readers. 

Therefore, for the independent traveler who would leave his armchair for the Great Unknown, In the Footsteps of Dracula:  A Personal Journey and Travel Guide contains a Practical Guide to the Dracula Trail, with a complete Sample Itinerary (updated for the 2nd Edition) featuring recommendations for lodging and detailed instructions on traveling to each British or Romanian Dracula-related town or site.

How long did the whole journey take and what was the cost?

 I spent almost two months in all traveling, but because this was to be a photo journal, I always allowed at least one extra day at each location in case of heavy rain or snow.  I spent almost a month in Romania for the price of a week in England.

Following is a breakdown of a typical day’s expenses in Transylvania converted into American dollars.  (These are 2005 prices; a check of hotel prices in different cities in Romania in 2010 showed increases of about 40%, which would bring the day’s expenses to about $77—still an incredible bargain):

 MaxiTaxi from Sighişoara to Bistriţa:  $ 6.17

Taxis from Bed and Breakfast Coula, Sighişoara to MaxiTaxi stand, and from MaxiTaxi stand to Hotel Codrişor, Bistriţa, plus tips:  $5.00

Room with two beds, private shower, cable TV, and full breakfast, Hotel Codrişor, Bistriţa:  $35.00

Dinner at Crama Veche, Bistriţa, including cherry brandy, bean and ham soup, chicken paprikash, and pickled salad, plus tip:  $9.00

Total day’s expenses:  $55.17

What was the high point?

That would be Poienari, the real Castle of Dracula.  I had traveled to other remote, forbidding places before entering the almost lightless forest of Poienari.  But never before or since have I felt the apprehension and isolation I did while climbing to Vlad Ţepeş’ mountaintop fortress at Poienari.  The forest was as quiet as a tomb; I can’t recall hearing the song of even a single bird.

The ascent was exhausting.  At last, I encountered a grizzled, elfin gentleman sitting on almost the very top step, who indicated with his fingers the amount of the small entry fee.  From there the lone approach to the fortress is by a wooden footbridge.

Of all the places I explored that are associated with Vlad Ţepeş, only at Poienari did I feel that he was somehow still keeping watch.  Perched on a remote peak near a glacial moraine in the FăgarăşMountains of southern Romania, Poienari remains pristine and almost inaccessible.  Because the terrain is too steep and isolated to ever be cultivated or developed, there will never be a theme park at Poienari with scary rides and Count Dracula/Vlad Ţepeş collectibles.  Nor should there be, given the malevolent history of the fortress.

Thousands of boyars (nobles) and their families had been force-marched there from Tărgovişte to die rebuilding the castle for Prince Vlad; it was here that his treacherous brother Radu stormed the fortress with cannons, reducing the once courtly residence into broken turrets and formless rubble.  And it was here that Prince Dracula’s wife cast herself from the highest window of the eastern tower, choosing a swift death over the torture of the stake.

 

The Fortress of Vlad the Impaler at Poienari

 Were there any disappointments?

 I can’t say it was a disappointment, since I was warned . . . northwest of the Piaţa Unirii, Bucharest’s main square, is the Historic Quarter and the Old Princely Court of Vlad the Impaler.  The Hanul lui Manuc (Manuc’s Inn) in the Historic Quarter is worth seeing.  In a bygone century it was a caravan stop, and it still serves as a hotel and restaurant with a large courtyard surrounded by wooden balconies.  Don’t eat at the restaurant, though.  Lonely Planet’s Romania & Moldova describes the service as “appallingly slow and surly,” and, actually, that’s giving the restaurant way too much credit.

You did the journey seven years ago.  What, if anything, do you think will have changed?

There’s likely to have been some inflation, as indicated above, and probably less reliance on internet cafés by locals, as more and more people use smart phones.  I’d take one too if I were going again, but I’d never use a phone in place of a camera.  But I don’t think the important places will have changed much.  The locations are either protected as a World Heritage site, as with Sighişoara, or are too inaccessible to develop, as with Poienari.  The Romanians won’t kill the goose that lays their golden tourist eggs.

Have you had any feedback from anyone who has inspired to follow in your footsteps?

I have, and it’s a great feeling, not only to have been read as an author, but to hear that my writing changed people’s lives in a positive way.

If you did it again, would you do anything differently or add any locations to your itinerary?

I’d go to the places in Dublin that I wrote about; to Hampstead Heath and Highgate Cemetery in London and to Bran Castle in Romania even though it’s a tourist trap.  I’d also bring a smart phone with temporary foreign coverage and a shockproof, weather-resistant digital camera.

You mentioned that a friend helped you to overcome language problems when you visited the grave of Vlad Ţepeş.  How much of the journey were you able to make alone?

That was the only place that I didn’t travel to alone, and the only place where readers of my book might require a guide to get them there.  Otherwise they can safely and economically follow my Sample Itinerary as described above. 

Would it be possible for someone to make the whole journey alone without any knowledge of Romanian or German?

 Yes—the Berlitz Romanian Phrase Book & Dictionary is worth taking along with you.  A lot of the younger people in the larger towns and cities learned English in school, and generally you’ll also be able to speak English with hotel personnel and the proprietors of Bed and Breakfast establishments.  However, in the countryside or at smaller restaurants, you’ll need some basic Romanian phrases.  If you do happen to know German, most Transylvanians of Saxon descent speak German and Romanian, although the majority of ethnic Germans left Romania after the reunification of Germany in 1990.

The “Eating Out” section is invaluable—it’s always the most-used section of my Berlitz phrase books when I travel.  Speaking of food, I was able to maintain a very healthy diet in Romania.  Fresh vegetables, especially cucumbers and tomatoes, were plentiful, and roasted red peppers were always available as a side dish at restaurants everywhere or at self-service cafeterias in Bucharest.  The meat served is mostly pork or chicken, as an entrée or as part of a delicious, slightly sour soup called either borş or ciorbă, made from a fermented mix of flour, cherry bark, thyme, and basil.  (With respect to dining out in England, if you like East Indian food, I don’t think there’s any town in the nation without at least one “take-away” Indian restaurant.)

You wrote that, taking sensible precautions, there are no safety issues when traveling through Romania, but one incident on your journey seemed rather sinister.  While waiting for the boat to take you to Vlad Ţepeş’ grave, you were accosted by two men, who you had to give some money to.  What exactly happened?

That was when I was traveling with a native Romanian, Daly Gurman.  I deferred to his judgment in giving the men a small amount of money to go away.  If I’d been by myself, I would have truthfully told them that I didn’t understand what they wanted, and maintained what the soteropolitanas—the people of Salvador, Brazil—call a mão-de-vaca, a cow’s hand, which never opens.

Bearing in mind the questionable authenticity of Vlad Ţepeş’ grave, is it worth making the trip?

I think so.  Snagov Lake, about 25 miles north of Bucharest, is narrow but almost 12 miles long, with a small island in the northeastern part of the lake.  With its rustic scenery, boisterous frogs lining the lakeshore, and posters of Vlad Ţepeş’ exploits in hopelessly fractured English, the Snagov Lake area has just the right tone for a Draculaland.  Besides, if you go there in winter you might be able to ice skate across the lake from the village of Silistea to the island, where Vlad Ţepeş’ purported tomb lies in the inner chamber of a stone monastery church that dates back to 1521.

Having brutally tortured and murdered tens of thousands of his own subjects, Vlad Ţepeş hardly seems like a suitable figure to be honored and respected.  Do Romanians really “dream of Vlad Ţepeş or a new Vlad Ţepeş” in times of trouble?

Many do.  Vlad Ţepeş was a product of his times.  His father was required to give him up as a hostage to the Turkish sultan when Vlad was in his teens, and it was there that he repeatedly witnessed the practice of execution by impaling.  And although in his quest for power and dominance he impaled more Romanians than Turks, he is still seen as a hero for his part in later battles against the Turkish Empire.

A visit to the island tomb of Vlad Ţepeş confirms the reverence still felt for the historical Prince Dracula as someone who defended the cross, as opposed to the literary Count Dracula, who abhorred it.  The tomb is covered by a stone slab surrounded by golden icons and giant candelabras.  An antique lantern rests on the left side of the slab, a silver engraving of Vlad Ţepeş is at the center, and a vase of fresh-cut flowers graces the right.

On one of the church walls, below Vlad’s portrait, is the following inscription (recreated verbatim):

“King Vlad the Impaler Dracula

He was a great European personality in fighting against Turkish Empire for Christianism.  His courrage was admired also by Turkish Army & leaders.”

As I took in the medieval splendor of the tomb of Vlad Ţepeş, Father Bănăţeanu, the latest in a line of monks who for over 500 years have lived alone on Snagov Island to tend Vlad’s grave, handed me a leaflet that read in part:

” . . . Prince Vlad the Impaler was known in all Europe as Prince Dracula; he was a great fighter against the Turkish Empire.  It is a strange story isn’t it?”

 

Father Bănăţeanu and His Dog

 What distinguishes him from Nicolae Ceauşescu, who inflicted more recent horrors on the long-suffering people of Romania?

What was unforgivable for Ceauşescu was his hypocrisy.  Obsessed with repaying the soaring national debt and building edifices that were really monuments to himself, Ceauşescu banned the importation of consumer products and commanded the exportation of all goods produced in Romania except minimal food supplies.  While the official television broadcasts showed stores full of groceries that were actually painted plastic, thousands of Romanians were being tortured in political prisons and millions were near starvation.

Vlad Ţepeş never pretended to have his subjects’ interests at heart; he fought, and fought well, against whoever opposed him, be they Turk or Romanian.  And while Vlad Ţepeş died in battle with his father’s sword in hand, on Christmas Day in 1989 the brutal dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu and his wife Elena were executed by a military firing squad in Tărgovişte, Romania, after fleeing from their country residence at—of all places!—Snagov Lake.  The videotape of their execution, with Nicolae loudly singing The Internationale as Elena cursed at the soldiers, telling everybody to go to hell, was immediately released to news agencies in Western Europe.

Bram Stoker never traveled to Transylvania.  How accurate were his descriptions of the land?

While his descriptions of the Carpathian Mountains bore a superficial resemblance to the actual terrain, when it came to specific details, Bram Stoker’s Transylvania bore little resemblance to any Romania that ever existed.  For example, Stoker wrote of “hay-ricks [haystacks] in the trees” based on illustrations of Transylvanian haystacks built around stakes, with the ends of the stakes poking out like branches.  Thus, generations of Dracula readers assumed that Transylvanians put their haystacks up in trees!

 

Haystacks on Transylvania’s Borgo Pass

It still seems possible to conjure up the spirit of Dracula in Romania, but Gothic Weekends in Whitby, England, while good for the local economy, hardly seem conducive to capturing the spirit of the town as Stoker knew it while researching and writing Dracula there.  How did a Gothic Weekend in Whitby add to your Dracula experience?

I chose to go to Whitby during the Gothic Weekend   specifically because I knew I’d get much more interesting pictures for my book with a trio of Goths posing, for example, on the Bram Stoker Memorial Seat than at other times of the year, when I’d just have a picture of an empty bench with a plaque in the middle.  For the serious sojourner on the Dracula Trail, August 11th was the day Mina ran through the town to save Lucy from the blood-thirst of the Count.  Alternatively, a dreary winter’s day might convey a more somber atmosphere around the old church graveyard and the ruins of Whitby Abbey.  So it’s really a matter of intent–is it to be a party or a sort of contemplative walk back into the Victorian subconscious   for a day?

There is nowhere else on Earth besides Whitby where one can truly walk in the footsteps of the literary Dracula.  Bram Stoker’s Transylvania was the pipe dream of an armchair traveler with a genius for writing:  real enough for the 19th Century English or American reader, but bearing little resemblance to the society or even the architecture of Romania at that time or any other.

On the other hand, Stoker was intimately familiar with Whitby and its ancient legends.  He lived there:  you can see his house.  You can see the “house at The Crescent” where Mina Murray (later Harker) stayed with Lucy Westenra and her mother, and where Count Dracula circled Lucy’s bedroom window in the form of a “great bat.”  Three doors away from the “house at The Crescent” was the office of Mr. S. F. Billington, the attorney who arranged for “50 cases of common earth, to be used for experimental purposes” (one of those cases containing the Count in his coffin) to be transferred by rail and wagon from Whitby to Dracula’s estate at Carfax near London.

You can stand on the Tate Hill Sands where Count Dracula first touched the English shore in the shape of an immense wolf-like dog, and stroll among the ancient tombstones of the churchyard cemetery where he took refuge in a suicide’s grave and first tasted Lucy Westenra’s blood.

You can see all of these places, and more, virtually unchanged from the 1890s.  All in all, Whitby adds immensely to the spirit of the Dracula Trail.

As a novel and cultural experience, Dracula has attained a status that it never had during Stoker’s lifetime.  Why does its popularity continue to grow when many more “serious” and acclaimed pieces of contemporary literature are now forgotten?

 Bram Stoker’s Dracula, with its imagery and sheer sexuality, much of it stemming from Stoker’s unconscious mind, captured the imagination of the public in 1897 and has never been out of print—in fact it’s the 2nd most widely-read book in the world, after the BibleDracula was published during the height of Victorian sexual repression; two years later, in 1899, Freud would publish The Interpretation of Dreams.  It’s not a coincidence that vampires have remained so popular.  They’re immortal, powerful, and seductive—who wouldn’t want all of those attributes?  Or at least two out of three.

Above all, vampires are creatures of the night, as are dreams, and, just like dreams, they can never be controlled.

Is the 2nd Edition now the definitive version of your book?

I would think so.  It’s the result of reviews from all over the world; everything has been updated and corrected where necessary.  And besides, I’ve got new books to write and new heights of imagination to climb!

One final question.  Who is your favorite Dracula?

I think that Bram Stoker’s original vision of Count Dracula was most closely represented in F.W. Murnau’s 1922 silent film Nosferatu with Max Schreck (below).

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Update

A new updated and expanded 3rd edition of In the Footsteps of Dracula: A Personal Journey and Travel Guide  is available from:

http://www.amazon.com/Footsteps-Dracula-Personal-Journey-Travel/dp/1935444530/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322066732&sr=1-2.

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About the Author

Steven P. Unger

Steven Unger was one of a handful of white students at a black college, Tuskegee Institute in Alabama, and a member of the Bear Tribe, a California commune that tried sharecropping, goat herding, and living in teepees—and failed spectacularly at everything.  These adventures and many more are described in his novel Dancing in the Streets (http://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Streets-Steven-P-Unger/dp/1937536114/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_3).

He also wrote the accompanying text and Preface for Before the Paparazzi:  Fifty Years of Extraordinary Photographs, which includes over 250 pictures taken by Arty Pomerantz, staff photographer and assignment editor for the New York Post from the 1960s through the early 1990s.  Before the Paparazzi is available from www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Before-The-Paparazzi-Extraordinary-Photographs/dp/1935444395/ref=la_B007MAM64E_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1346780528&sr=1-2) and from their own site at www.beforethepaparazzi.com.

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8 responses to “In The Footsteps Of Dracula: An Interview With Author Steven P. Unger

    • My pleasure, Steven. Your unique book has joined the select few reference materials which sit alongside Dracula on my bookshelf.

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  1. Steven, your book inspired me to take a trip to Transylvania, and it traveled with me. Enjoyed your thoughts on Christoper Lee and Max Schreck. Funny you were not prodded for your thoughts on Bela Lugosi though. When I was in Romaina more than one person mentioned how amazing it was that a poor actor from their part of the world could go to America and end up on a US postage stamp!

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    • Steve,

      It’s one of my great pleasures in life as a writer to know that someone’s life was positively affected by my writing. I hope that your journey along the Dracula Trail was enhanced and simplified by having “In the Footsteps of Dracula” as your guide.

      Bela Lugosi literally brought Count Dracula to life throughout the world. Bram Stoker’s “Dracula” is the 2nd most read book in the world after the Bible, and Dracula is a universally recognized name. I honestly don’t think that would have happened without Bela, just as there would be no universal image of Frankenstein’s monster without Boris Karloff.

      Just a gentle reminder to VOL’s readers–if you plan to travel the Dracula Trail in England and/or Romania with an e-reader in hand, you can pick up the Kindle version of “In the Footsteps of Dracula” for $9.75 at http://www.amazon.com/In-Footsteps-Dracula-ebook/dp/B00347A5R4/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1262485478&sr=1-1.

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